Humanist issues and the Deputy Leadership candidates
I'm not a Labour party member and haven't been particularly following the Deputy Leadership elections, but there's been plenty of discussion amongst B4L members. The Labour Humanist Group recently questioned each candidate on a series of issues of interest to humanists. Roughly paraphrased, the questions were:
#1 - What is your stance on faith schools?
#2 - What do you think of schools that declare their intent to 'nourish' religious children and 'challenge' non-religious children?
#3 - Would you repeal compulsory Christian worship in schools?
#4 - Do you support religious organisations taking charge of employment and other social services, if they would use their position to promote their own religious beliefs?
#5 - Do you support a fully-elected house of lords, with no religious privilege?
#6 - What is your view on assisted dying for the terminally ill?
I haven't seen these questions asked elsewhere - good work, LHG! So, how do the various candidates compare?
Hilary Benn
#1 - answers oddly - his sentence is either badly constructed or deliberately worded as to be ambiguous. Wouldn't scrap them, though.
#2 - blah
#3 - no, because more debate is needed as we 'live in a Christian state'! WTF.
#4 - thinks religious discrimination is bad except 'where this is part of our long standing culture'. See, it being long-standing makes it ok.
#5 - is in favour of fully-elected HoL, but doesn't mention Bishops.
#6 - not yet persuaded due to potential abuse of system, although can see there is a strong case.
Hazel Blears
#1 - big fan of faith schools.
#2 - blah
#3 - flat out 'no', without reasoning
#4 - no - all should be 'equitable'.
#5 - thinks there should be more faiths in the HoL (no comment on 100% elected) and adds she doesn't support disestablishment of the CoE.
#6 - blah
Jon Cruddas
Blah #1-6. Says nothing at all. Well, maybe that he supports a 100% elected HoL, but that doesn't really answer the question.
Peter Hain
#1 - result! Suggests faith schools perpetuate 'sectarian division'. Says parents have 'right' to send their children to a school with a particular ethos - interesting choice of word, I think - but standards of curriculum must be upheld. Closest to an anti-faith-schools position of all candidates
#2 - hmm. Says 'parents have the right to determine whether or not their children are taught particular religious beliefs at school'. Depends on definition of 'taught' - as general knowledge or as indoctrination? I'm unconvinced parents have any more 'right' to decide on the former than they do whether their child gets taught maths.
#3 - doesn't believe it is for the state to compel acts of worship. Yay! This says nothing about individual schools, of course, but is nevertheless pretty good
#4 - no. 'Everyone is entitled to equal access to all services'. Ruled out all faith-based exemptions in Ireland, too.
#5 - in favour of 100% elected. No comment on bishops.
#6 - blah.
Harriet Harman
#1 - seems to be skeptical, but makes a classic mistake in placing discrimination against religious belief on a par with discrimination against gender, race, age and disability. Religious belief is just an idea and doesn't deserve such protected status. Your race, age, disability or gender say nothing about your ideas or opinions. Your religion does, and you can change it at will. Giving it special status is like allowing discrimination against people who dislike nuclear power, or vote Conservative. But she seems to broadly have the right idea, and wants to ensure faith schools wouldn't divide the community.
#2 - same as Peter Hain. Unclear.
#3 - same as Peter Hain. Doesn't believe it is for the state to compel acts of worship. Yay!
#4 - no place for discrimination. Didn't think Catholics should get an opt-out on adoption agencies.
#5 - supports 100% elected HoL. No direct comment on Bishops, but says all 'unquestionable rights' are bad, religious or otherwise.
#6 - supports assisted dying! Only candidate to say this.
Alan Johnson
#1 - Thinks faith schools provide good education and services to community. When he mentions government policy he is supportive, but his own opinions suggest he wants them heavily regulated. Only person to really mention staffing discrimination issues - says schools must prove that staff need to be religious. Adds that he opposes religious exemptions generally.
#2 - Same as PH and HH. Unclear.
#3 - blah. Risky to read between the lines, but seems to think that allowing children to be withdrawn is sufficient.
#4 - blah.
#5 - Wants 80:20 split. Mentions Bishops and thinks it would be difficult for them to stay 'in their current numbers'. Unclear what this means. Close to blah.
#6 - is skeptical.
I think Harriet Harman comes out top on Humanist issues, very closely followed by Peter Hain. Hazel Blears is at the bottom, and Jon Cruddas doesn't get to play as he didn't answer the questions.
Update: the BHA points out a proper writeup on Comment is Free, which happily comes to the roughly the same conclusions as me.
Tweets
- @rosieolliver Oh god all that foreplay was so totally worth it. in reply to rosieolliver 8 hrs ago
- Excellent day shooting @senseaboutsci protest, getting lost in V&A with @rosieolliver, and watching manic media at @BHAnews. I like my life. 8 hrs ago
- @BHAnews Andy Zaltzman! You have no idea how happy this makes me :-) 9 hrs ago
- @Rullsenberg Argh, that can't be fun. Hope it gets resolved soon. in reply to Rullsenberg 12 hrs ago
- At the BHA offices - I've never seen so many camera crews in such a small space. 14 hrs ago
- Ok @rosieolliver just signed up two policemen to #oldwivesmed 20 hrs ago
- Sense about Sci. protesting DoH's quackery-legitimising accreditation scheme on Whitehall 1130-1230. Get a free woo-diploma! #oldwivesmed 23 hrs ago
- More updates...
Shared Niceties
- The REAL ‘Stuff White People Like’ « OkTrendsCheck out the religious comparisons at the end.
- PPT97: PowerPoint Centimeters Different from Actual CentimetersVia @joeljohnson.
- A Morose and Downbeat Woman is My Co-Pilot
- HP7I just really like this poster.
- Globe Genie: random teleporter for Google Street View
- Catholic church accuses BBC of 'anti-Christian' bias - TelegraphArticle quite entertaining. Demolished by David Pollock in the comments.
- Life goal # 1423: One day be propelled through the air by a...
- That's no watermelon
- Tim Minchin (Conversation With) - What's On | RSCHoly crap. That's 3min from my front door. Not sure when the RSC started doing stuff like this.
- Fun with the Mercator Projection
- Move iTunes' Close/Minimize/Zoom Buttons Back on Top [ITunes Tip]Posted without comment. Ish.
- BBC - Daily View: Stephen Hawking's Universe theoryWow. People have written a lot of bullshit about this.
- Stretching Before Running Doesn't Help, But Don't Stop Right Away
- Abbot and Sister take on ‘bear pit’ of atheists in debate over papal visit | CatholicHerald.co.ukYay photos. "Bear pit" and "very nasty" are OTT, but it was admittedly more shouty than I was comfortable with.
- Susie Linfield - Aid wars | New HumanistShe makes some tremendous points here. And apparently she just wrote a book about photojournalism, so I'll be going and getting that right away.
- Mongoliad is live: Neal Stephenson, Greg Bear and friends create participatory, epic fantasy for the webLooks potentially interesting. And hey, Neal Stephenson can actually do no wrong (it's a rule).
- Senior Catholic Edmund Adamus blames UK's 'moral wasteland' on equal rights - Home News, UK - The IndependentIn other news, colossal amount of money to be made by any PR firm who can sign up the Catholic Church.
- Penn and Teller take on vaccines
- I have eliminated...That's a lot of therapy for one joke.
- erohi:
0ji:
ak47:
xtc:
Tap of plenty | Robinetul abundentei...
Hello!
Hey, thanks for coming! I'm Andrew, and this is where my headthinks come to breed. They often meander around humanism and photography, but they're flighty and you can't trust them, so anything is possible.
Do feel free to email me - I get lonely:

Your hair looks swish, by the way - have you done something new?
Recent Comments
- Andrew: Just added a link to Cristina Odone interpreting the sexuality/pleasure question as a direct query on Catholic doctrine (I...
on Flawed Theos survey claims Catholic values are common in the UK. - Andrew: You’d almost be tempted to think it’s deliberately opaque so as to give the impression of depth. Not that the...
on Flawed Theos survey claims Catholic values are common in the UK. - Andrew: Also, the full encyclical really is a massively dull, rambling stream of nonsense. It’s like the poetry of a...
on Flawed Theos survey claims Catholic values are common in the UK. - Andrew: Well, this saves me a job. I was moments away from writing about 90% of this post on my own blog.
on Flawed Theos survey claims Catholic values are common in the UK. - vicky: going up this weekend having done all the welsh peaks except 4 snowdon, cant wait
on Climbing Snowdon.