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13Feb/0743

Gmail workaround for Orange/Freeserve/Wanadoo customers with email problems

A few months ago it became apparent that people with Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange accounts were having problems with email. My post on the subject has had a lot of attention. The company's email servers were repeatedly listed on spam databases, and email providers all over the world were therefore rejecting all received email. F/W/O showed no interest in fixing the problem. I don't know whether it's working yet, but I don't really care - their service was appalling and I don't recommend anybody use them again. Unfortunately there was little that could be done at the time without changing email address, a process which is never fun. Recent updates to Google's Gmail service, however, have provided a way around the problem without changing address.

It works by replacing your current email system with Google's free Gmail service. Gmail can now automatically download your F/W/O emails, as well as make it look like all email you send is coming from your old F/W/O address. It means moving to a web-based email system (or not, with a little more configuration - see optional section) and giving your email password to Google (I personally don't think this is anything to worry about), but email recipients should notice no difference and it should work exactly the same as before, except that all email is actually coming from Google's servers, which won't be rejected as spam.

Initial experiments suggest this should work:

  1. Go to www.gmail.com and sign up for a free email address
  2. Log into your gmail account (called Google Mail in the UK), then go to 'Settings', and the 'Accounts' tab
  3. New users should have a "Get mail from other accounts" option (if this option isn't there try changing the display language to 'English (US)' in the 'General' tab). Click 'Add another mail account'.
  4. Enter your F/W/O email address and click to continue.
  5. Enter your F/W/O username (this is your email address, as far as I know) and password. The POP server is 'pop.orangehome.co.uk' on port 110. You might want to tick 'Leave a copy of retrieved messages on the server' while everything is getting set up, then remove it later. People familiar with Gmail can apply labels etc.. When all details are entered, click to continue.
  6. It will ask if you want to be able to send email as '[your address]', click 'Yes', and then 'Next Step'
  7. Enter the name you want emails to appear to come from, and click 'Next Step'
  8. It will need to send a verification email to ensure you're who you say you are. Click 'Send Verification', go check your email as normal, and follow the instructions.
  9. Once you've verified the address, go back to 'Accounts'. 'Send mail as' will contain a couple of different addresses. Click 'Make default' next to the F/W/O address.
  10. That's it! All email you send via Gmail will now appear to come from your F/W/O address, and Gmail will deliver all replies into your Gmail account.

I think this will do the trick. Please let me know the results if you try it...

To use Outlook Express / Outlook:

People who are using Outlook or Outlook Express (or Windows Mail, for that matter) and want to keep all their emails in one place / don't want to use webmail can try this:

  1. In Gmail's settings, go to the 'Forwarding and POP' tab. Next to 'POP Download', click 'Enable POP only for mail that arrives from now on', then 'Save changes'.
  2. Follow the instructions here to configure Outlook / Outlook Express (here for Outlook 2003). It's probably wise to write down the existing configuration before changing too much over.

Email sent through Outlook/Express will appear to come from your F/W/O address as long as you've set it as Gmail's default address in #9 above.

Notes:

This also lets you take advantage of Gmail's formidable spam filters.

The changes were Google opening up to all users and releasing their POP3-fetching service, if you were wondering.

This would have been possible months ago if Orange provided an email forwarding service like normal ISPs.

22Sep/0668

Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange email servers blacklisted in spam databases

Feb '07 Update: I've posted details of a way around this without changing email address. It's a little fiddly, but should work...

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I've been trying to trace a problem with emails not reaching one of my clients. Emails from the same sender would sometimes get through fine, but often bounce back after a few days. I eventually managed to get a look at one of the bounced emails, which was very helpful.

It turns out that Freeserve have managed to get some of their email servers blacklisted in spam databases. Any ISPs that operate even basic spam filtering check all incoming email against the SpamCop or SORBS databases, to see whether the originating server is registered as a spammer. If so, the email is rejected and a few days later the sender will receive an undelivered mail report.

Fyi, Freeserve = Wanadoo = Orange, but I'm going to use Freeserve because I keep mistyping 'wanadoo'...

I did a little digging around, and unsurprisingly many people are having problems with this. It's flared up in recent days, but there are reports of problems with the servers - I looked up 193.252.22.157 - as far back as January of this year. This isn't the fault of the spam databases, nor is it difficult to get yourself removed from them. Freeserve seem to be entirely to blame.

This is a particularly annoying problem, as it must affect anybody with a Freeserve / Wanadoo / Orange account. It's unreasonable to ask every ISP/email host in the world to make an exception / disable their spam filters because of this, although that's what I've had to do in my client's case.

According to the SpamCop information page, the Freeserve servers are commiting the cardinal sin of bouncing back external emails, which afaik is quite an easy thing to fix! Freeserve presumably have a number of email servers of which only some are blacklisted, explaining why emails sometimes get through and sometimes don't. There doesn't seem to be any way of specifying which server you want to use, however.

I always used to like Freeserve, but given the long-running nature and severity of this problem, I can only recommend that nobody create a new Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account, and anybody on their system move to a different ISP.