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16Feb/105

Dawkins at Darwin Day

I took a photo last week that's quickly become one of my favourites:

Dawkins at Darwin Day

Bit niche, but I like it. From the 2010 Darwin Day lecture.

3Jan/090

What will change everything?

The annual edge.org question is out. This year, 150 luminaries answer 'What will change everything?'.

I haven't read them all. Of those that catch my eye, most are scientific, some are political, some are very short and some are just weird.

Richard Dawkins says the world would be changed by anything that blurs the boundaries between humans and chimps. Like, the discovery of a missing ancestor, or a lab-based chimera. Because the issue of human rights would have to be re-thought from scratch. The Guardian has helpfully published this as 'Richard Dawkins: how would you feel about a half-human half-chimp hybrid?'. Which I'm sure does wonders for the public image of scientists.

18Dec/082

Off to the Godless bonanza

I'm off to 8 Lessons and Carols for Godless People tonight. I've been looking forward to it for months.

Organised by [Ricky Gervais'] touring sidekick Robin Ince, the line-up includes both men, along with Chris Addison, Phill Jupitus, Stewart Lee, Dara O'Briain and Mark Thomas. The bill is bolstered by leading lights from the world of science - including arch atheist Richard Dawkins - and music from, among others, Jarvis Cocker.

"I want these evenings to be like fractured versions of the Royal Institution Christmas lectures," says Ince, "fun, entertaining and informative."

His motivation is as benign as it is pro-rationalist. "I wanted to do events around Christmas for people who don't have any belief, to show that they're not bitter, Scrooge-like characters. Everyone is going to be approaching the evening from a passionate scientific perspective rather than from a bashing-the-Bible slant."

 The Telegraph, being the Telegraph, felt it necessary to include a bit of muppetry:

There will even be carol-singing, he promises. "Who doesn't like singing a carol? I mean, if you sing Robbie Williams's Angels you don't have to believe in angels, do you? Most singers sing lots of songs that have no truth in them whatsoever." It's that kind of casually derogatory remark that may do much to stir the antipathy of those with religious beliefs.

My heart bleeds. Seriously, outside of Stephen Green and the various Archbishops, are any Christians that sensitive?

But by holding this rationalist jamboree so close to Christmas, are they not guilty of provocation?

Hmmm, good point. It is a bit militant of us, holding a stage show and all. I wouldn't want to provoke the Church of England's uncontrollable urge to feel victimised.

(wait, can you use 'bonanza' like that? I'm confused. Oh, never mind.)

23Jun/081

An Atheism Meme

I've been tagged by the ever-readable Scribbles.

Q1) How would you define atheism?

The provisional conclusion that there is no compelling evidence for the existence of spiritual overlords.

I still use the term 'atheist' as it's pretty easy to explain what I mean, which I'd have to do for 'freethinker', 'nontheist' etc. anyway. Don't get me started on 'agnostic', though (the director's cut of Donnie Darko defines an agnostic as 'someone who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God, but does not deny the possibility that God exists'. WTF.).

Q2) Was your upbringing religious? If so, what tradition?

Not really. I wasn't Christened, and I can't recall my parents ever making outright claims one way or another. But when I was a kid my (not all that religious) grandmother inexplicably bought me 'the Bible in 365 easy stories', or something, and I made my parents read it every night. I recently asked what they thought of that, and they said they didn't anticipate how violent it would be. I remember the artwork more than the stories, but some of the old testament stuff stuck. I've yet to re-examine the battle-watching dude who had to hold his arms aloft to prevent the mass slaughter of all his people, but even at 10 that was a bit weird. But I bought into anything that seemed mysterious, so I was Generically Christian until probably 14-15ish. By then I'd begun to realise the assembly-guest vicars sometimes came out with total rubbish, and I remember calling myself an agnostic (argh) in a discussion with über-Christian RE teacher1 at about that age.

Q3) How would you describe 'intelligent design', using only one word.

Dishonest.

Q4) What scientific endeavour really excites you?

My favourites have always been astronomy and cosmology. I mean, stars are only ever point sources no matter how big your telescope, but by analysing their light we can figure out their chemical composition. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter took a picture of the Pheonix Lander parachuting to the ground2. The light from the Big Bang is still bouncing around, making up 3% of the static on an untuned tv screen, and we can use this to figure out the conditions in the first microseconds after the Big Bang. It's just nuts. And brilliant.

But the older I get, the more I'm impressed by the basics. Just the easy little physics equations, and that they actually work. I get regular holy-shit flashes about natural selection, too.

It seems like most things, the more I think about them the more they descend into grey-area mess. Politics, photography, the day-to-day running of my life, whatever. But science is the inverse: the deeper I look, the more detailed and clearer things get, and it's both a lifeline and a joy. So I'm rather a fan of the endeavour as a whole :-)

Q5) If you could change one thing about the 'atheist community' what would it be?

Erm. I don't think the 'atheist community' share anything but a disbelief in deities, really. The Internet forums suffer from the usual problem of online communities, though, and I'd like to kick out the mental atheists who forget religious people are human too.

Q6) If your child came up to you and said 'I'm joining the clergy', what would be your first response?

Which one? Why that one? Will it make you happy? Can I be a guest speaker?

Q7) What's your favourite theist argument, and how do you refute it?

I quite like the ontological argument, which essentially says:

Imagine the most perfect being you can. Got it? Well, that one's just in your head. A really perfect being would actually exist, because existing is more perfect than not existing. Therefore god exists.

This one's quite good as it's obviously completely bloody stupid, but it's actually quite difficult to put your finger on why. People have, of course, and it's fun wrapping your brain in knots trying to keep up.

The ontological argument doesn't come up much in the cafeteria, though. Pascal's Wager is better: if you die and god does exist you're screwed, but if he doesn't there's no experience of any kind, so play the odds. That's always entertaining, as I reject it for the same reason I don't erect shrines to my toaster.

Other than that, there's the moment when someone looks at you with pity in their eyes and says 'Jesus'. As if that proves shit.

Q8) What's your most 'controversial' (as far as general attitudes amongst atheists goes?) viewpoint?

I suppose thinking the Iraq War was at least a tricky decision is pretty controversial. And I'm a total relativist on the arts. But these don't really count - they're counter to the general opinion of commenters on atheist forums, but only in as much as they're common to everyone.

As regards general attitudes amongst atheists, I can't think of much...I take the Dawkins / P.Z. Myers approach that critical thinking + scientific knowledge will inevitably erode religious belief, and that saying the two are compatible is duplicitous. That one does at least split the scientists in the atheist community.

I also harbour some suspicions about the arguments over the best ways to change people's minds. There are endless arguments over the merits of meet-them-halfway versus stand-up-for-what-you-believe-in, and I'm not sure there's evidence for any of it yet. Although I haven't yet read Carol Tavris' book, so I might be talking rubbish.

Q9) Of the 'Four Horsemen' (Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens and Harris) who is your favourite and why?

Dawkins, for reasons that will be terribly tedious to anyone who's read this blog for a while. The Blind Watchmaker literally changed my life - I haven't looked at the world the same way since - and I'm thankful to and admire the guy such that I have to be careful not to let biases get in the way of critical thinking. A couple of years ago I got him to sign my original TBW, and I think it's time to read it again.

Q10) If you could convince one theistic person to abandon their beliefs, who would it be?

Ahmadinejad. And Katie Holmes, because she seems so nice.

Also: Russell Brand. He's not specifically religious, but goes in for all sorts of spiritual mumbo-jumbo. It's a shame, as the guy would be such a force for rationality.

Pass it on

I'm setting you free, little meme. Run, run like the wind.

  1. "on Christmas morning I want you all to get up and shout, as loud as you can, 'HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!'" []
  2. I so want a poster of that photo []
18Dec/075

Carol-singing atheists

Meant to be Christmas shopping, but instead getting annoyed by the radio. The Jeremy Vine show is incredulous that Richard Dawkins, avowed atheist, enjoys singing Christmas carols. They interview him. He explains that singing is nice and means nothing. Vicar retaliates that singing is inherently an act of worship. Which is stupid.

Penn Jillette put it well: I'm not in your club, so I don't have to follow your rules. Rumour has it that senior Freemasons wear special rings - junior members are not permitted such jewellery. But I'm not a Freemason, so I can do what the hell I like. Any senior Freemason objecting to my wearing their special ring is going to get laughed at. You don't get to impose your own club rules on the rest of society. Christians think singing carols is an act of worship, and that's fine - go ahead. But don't tell me what I can and can't think, thanks.

A Guardian cartoonist stood up for good sense, but briefly took a wrong turn, imho, when he started to argue historically. It's used frequently, but I don't much care for the argument that Christmas was a pagan tradition so it's ok for atheists to celebrate it, or the debates over whether the Christmas tree is a traditional Christian thing. Doesn't matter, for two reasons:

  1. The meaning of any particular tradition is entirely relative - if I like the tradition, I can appropriate it without dragging along all the historical baggage. The Guardian columnist pointed out that his favourite ink was used to stamp people in concentration camps - should he boycott it for this reason? No, that's silly. It's ink. Culture is a great big amalgam of unpatentable ideas from throughout history. Christmas trees look good - I like decorating my home with them. I don't care whether some Christian came up with the idea, or what it means to religious people. I just like having a pretty tree, it's nice! Some would raise politeness at this point - if Christians get offended by my having a tree, isn't it polite to avoid it? No! People can declare offence at anything; bending over backwards to accommodate beliefs that make no sense never a) works b) leads to anything good.
  2. Religion appropriates nice things to attract people1. It's a trick. A toffee-sprout. "Look, we sing nice songs, decorate our homes and all meet up once a week - these are all unequivocally nice things! Also by the way guy-came-back-from-the dead-angels-demons-witchcraft-magic-crackers-floods-smiting-gay-people-bad-also-snakes-don't-ever-have-sex-unless-we-give-you-permission, and you only get to do all the nice things if you believe all that. This applies to everyone". No. Get lost with your manipulative crap. I'll take the yummy toffee, which is nothing to do with you, and leave the sprout for anyone who wants it.  This isn't all that different from #1, actually - free-floating ideas can be netted by anyone, and nobody gets to claim copyright.

I like carols too. Don't care that Christians consider carols an act of worship. Tell you what: if you can do that, I'm going to declare doing the vacuuming a rejection of god. From now on any Christian who hoovers the hall is a hypocrite.

  1. not necessarily maliciously, but probably just through cultural natural selection - memetic, if you will []
14Aug/070

The Enemies of Reason – Part One

I really enjoyed it. I was a little worried it might just be a look at the bizarre things people believe, which would probably have been entertaining enough, but there was also an excellent explanation of the reasons we all stumble into supersition - I thought of Skinner's pigeons seconds before they turned up1 - and probably the best tv explanation of the scientific method I've seen. Rather than being overwhelmingly negative about the reach of the paranormal into society, there was a healthy dose of wonder: 'science is the poetry of the universe'.

I particularly enjoyed RD2 calling out the cold-reading card guy, and the discussion with the magical-thinking astrologer was very revealing - the guy refused to validate anything he believed! I was also amused that Jonathan Cainer's name was blurred, but it was obvious anyway :-) I liked the swipe at postmodern/relativists - Melanie Phillips take note - and the dowsers, while demonstrated to be completely wrong, were treated humanely. I'd be interested to see more of the interview with the "I'll be around for billions of years" spiritualist, although it was probably all as bonkers as the clip we saw.

I didn't think the Warwick Uni sociologist's point was followed up as well as it could have been. He claimed that people could interpret evidence in different ways, and that a stalemate could result. I can see that refuting this is fairly complex, though. Do you go with the concept of a scientific consensus, or argue that interpretations cannot be inherently opposed if taken from the same data - that any differences must be resolveable through logic3?

There could possibly have been more time spent on the reasons irrational belief is bad for society, but I suspect that'll come in next week's show on alternative medicine and the NHS. Astrology and psychics irritate and worry me, especially when you realise how much money they bilk from gullible-but-often-desperate victims, but it's alternative medicine that's the really despicable, dangerous area. Looking forward to it.

(update: this Richard & Judy interview sums up some of the main points. Richard M talks sense, Judy seems...less impressed)

  1. I must have read about them in a Dawkins book, I guess []
  2. who channel 4 seem to have decided is 'Mr Grumpy Face', given the not particularly representative pics they're using on their website []
  3. which I'm not claiming is necessarily true, but seems possible []
13Aug/070

Perfect viewing for rationalists everywhere

The Enemies of Reason. Tonight. Channel 4. 8pm. Because you know you want to see astrologers trying to argue with Richard Dawkins.

7Aug/070

Melanie Phillips on pseudoscience and how the world is broken

I'd planned the post in my head. I was going to talk about Richard Dawkins' new Channel 4 show: The Enemies of Reason. The Telegraph describes it with:

The 66-year-old scientist has investigated a range of gurus and therapists, including faith healers, psychic mediums, angel therapists, "aura photographers", astrologers, Tarot card readers and water diviners, and concluded that Britain is gripped by "an epidemic of superstitious thinking".

I was going to predict responses to the show. I reckoned there'd be a couple of types. Comment Is Free might have a few "science is a faith and doesn't have all the answers and there's actually something to all this stuff", and the Guardian itself would have "yes of course it's all nonsense, but don't you see that it makes people happy and it's a bit mean to attack it. Also Richard Dawkins is a fundamentalist and the show would be better presented by someone else". But I wasn't quick enough: Melanie Phillips got in there first1.

I know she's usually a bit, um, extreme, but this is just nuttery of the highest order. And it starts off so well:

In a TV programme to be shown later this month, Dawkins looks at a range of ludicrous therapies and gurus, including faith healers, psychic mediums, ‘angel therapists’, ‘aura photographers’, astrologers and others. Not surprisingly, he is horrified by such widespread irrationality, not to mention an exploitative industry that fleeces people while encouraging them to run away from reality.

He is right to be alarmed. What previously belonged to the province of the quack and the charlatan has become mainstream. The NHS provides funding for shamans, while the NHS Directory for Alternative and Complementary Medicine promotes ‘dowsers’, ‘flower therapists’ and ‘crystal healers’.

She agrees! Wow. I was expecting the first type of response.

Disturbing indeed. But where Dawkins goes wrong[...]

Right, here we go.

But where Dawkins goes wrong is to assume this is all as irrational as believing in God. The truth is that it is the collapse of religious faith that has prompted the rise of such irrationality.

What? Seems like a non-sequitur, but whatever. The collapse of religious faith is to blame for the rise in irrationality? This seems immediately unlikely as much of the irrationality has been around for a long, long time. The murder of Abraham Lincoln prompted massive conspiracy theories. Astrology has been around for centuries. Alternative medicine could only really be seen for what it is once evidence-based medical science came into being, but would seem to be far more in response to that than anything religious. In Britain religious faith is down, but it's had a massive resurgence in the US, which is also a major stronghold for all types of the irrationality being discussed. So I'm not sure the timeline really works. But let's see how she backs this up...

We are living in a scientific, largely postreligious age in which faith is presented as unscientific superstition. Yet paradoxically, we have replaced such faith by belief in demonstrable nonsense. It was GK Chesterton who famously quipped that ‘when people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything.’ So it has proved. But how did it happen?

Proof by repeating yourself, apparently. All right then, how did it happen?

The big mistake is to see religion and reason as polar opposites. They are not. In fact, reason is intrinsic to the Judeo-Christian tradition.

The Bible provides a picture of a rational Creator and an orderly universe — which, accordingly, provided the template for the exercise of reason and the development of science.

So, let's get this straight. The whole world has stopped believing in god, apparently. Everybody sees religion and reason as opposites, so they've taken up irrational things in its stead, despite having rejected religion for rational reasons. I'm not really following this. But, anyway, it's not even true because religion and reason aren't opposites. We know this because it says so in a magic book, and we should believe anything written in magic books.

Dawkins pours particular scorn on the Biblical miracles which don’t correspond to scientific reality. But religious believers have different ways of regarding those events, with many seeing them as either metaphors or as natural occurrences which were invested with a greater significance.

I wonder if she's been reading Alister McGrath - he's always going on about 'significance'. Still not sure what her point is. Magic book says things happened. Dawkins says they probably didn't. Melanie Phillips says they didn't and are of course metaphors. So? Presumably she doesn't deny all the miracles - virgin births, a child of a god, resurrection etc. etc.? If she denies it all, she has little in common with most Christians I've read. She's using the initially-persuasive idea that the Bible can be interpreted in such a way as to make logical sense. Which still doesn't mean it's true, but would be a start. Sam Harris and others would argue that the Bible is such a mess of contradictions that there's no way to interpret it without simply ignoring the parts you don't like. But I digress.

The heart of the Judeo-Christian tradition is the belief in the concept of truth, which gives rise to reason. But our postreligious age has proclaimed that there is no such thing as objective truth, only what is ‘true for me’.

Knew we'd get to relativism eventually. Note that Dawkins isn't mentioned here. Not one of the 'New Atheists'/'Fundamentalist Atheists'/whatever has any truck with relativism. Nor do the vast majority of scientists, as far as I'm aware. I never understand how people so willing to read Christian theology can be so ignorant of secular philosophy, which pretty much rejects relativism outright. I also strongly doubt that any sizeable percentage of the population think there's no such thing as objective truth (outside of postmodernism students, anyway), but then I can't really back that up.

That is because our society won’t put up with anything which gets in the way of ‘what I want’. How we feel about things has become all-important. So reason has been knocked off its perch by emotion, and thinking has been replaced by feelings.

This has meant our society can no longer distinguish between truth and lies by using evidence and logic. And this collapse of objective truth has, in turn, come to undermine science itself which is playing a role for which it is not fitted.

What? Scientists now don't believe in objective truth, so science doesn't work any more? What? I'm not a sociologist, but I'm pretty sure all her statements about society are complete nonsense.

When science first developed in the West, it thought of itself merely as a tool to explore the natural world. It did not pour scorn upon religion; indeed, scientists were overwhelmingly religious believers (as many still are).

Oh, for crying out loud. Yes, Newton was religious. With the information he had, it made sense. Before the theory of evolution came along it was pretty damned hard to see any other explanation. But now, with the evidence we have, religious belief is undoubtedly irrational. If Newton were around today, it's reasonable to think he wouldn't be religious.

In modern times, however, science has given rise to ’scientism’, the belief that science can answer all the questions of human existence. This is not so. Science cannot explain the origin of the universe. Yet it now presumes to do so and as a result it has descended into irrationality.

No it doesn't. That's just not true. There are plenty of questions on which science hands over to philosophy. There are incredibly speculative ideas as to how the universe started, sure, but nobody with scientific credibility claims to have actually explained it. I don't think it's necessarily a question outside of science, though. We just don't know. Presumably she doesn't mean 'how the universe started', she means 'why there's something rather than nothing', but the same applies.

The most conspicuous example of this is provided by Dawkins himself, who breaks the rules of scientific evidence by seeking to claim that Darwin’s theory of evolution — which sought to explain how complex organisms evolved through random natural selection — also accounts for the origin of life itself.

No he doesn't. This is also completely false. In fact he specifically says that evolution doesn't account for that. Biochemistry is investigating that particular problem. It depends what she means by 'the origin of life', of course. Does she mean consciousness? Cells? Things that evolve?

There is no evidence for this whatever and no logic to it. After all, if people say God could not have created the universe because this gives rise to the question ‘Who created God?’, it follows that if scientists say the universe started with a big bang, this prompts the further question ‘What created the bang?’ Indeed, if the origin of life were truly spontaneous, this would constitute what religious people would call a miracle. Accordingly, this claim in itself resembles not so much science as the superstition that Dawkins derides.

I'm not sure she isn't confusing the origin of the universe with the origin of life, but whatever. It might be that the origin of life is extremely unlikely - indeed, it seems that it took millions and millions of years for (presumably) one chance event to occur - but that's not 'spontaneous' any more than the weather is 'spontaneous'.

Moreover, since science essentially takes us wherever the evidence leads, the findings of more than 50 years of DNA research — which have revealed the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce life — have thrown into doubt the theory that life emerged spontaneously in a random universe.

Uh oh. She's not going to...she wouldn't, would she?

These findings have given rise to a school of scientists promoting the theory of Intelligent Design, which suggests that some force embodying purpose and foresight lay behind the origin of the universe.

She did. I don't believe it.

While this theory is, of course, open to vigorous counter-argument, people such as Prof Dawkins and others have gone to great lengths to stop it being advanced at all, on the grounds that it denies scientific evidence such as the fossil record and is therefore worthless.

A bit, but not really. The problem with intelligent design is that it's not science. It makes no predictions. It has no causal mechanisms. It hinges completely on the idea that if evolution is wrong, god must have done it. It occupies the infinite space of crap-I-made-up-ness. I could say that the process of evolution is actually controlled by an intelligent and incredibly tiny bumblebee named Gordon. It's possible, but a) if evolutionary theory is wrong, it doesn't mean Gordon is real, and b) until I can provide any kind of experiment that would provide a different outcome for evolution vs. Gordon's Design, how can we know? There are an infinite number of things that could be true, and we believe what the evidence suggests and nothing more. The reason scientists and rational thinkers have tried to stop intelligent design progressing is that it has no substance.

Yet distinguished scientists have been hounded and their careers jeopardised for arguing that the fossil record has got a giant hole in it. Some 570 million years ago, in a period known as the Cambrian Explosion, most forms of complex animal life emerged seemingly without any evolutionary trail. These scientists argue that only ‘rational agents’ could have possessed the ability to design and organise such complex systems.

Oh, man. There are any number of books which explain the Cambrian explosion. It's actually really, really cool. I'm surprised she didn't bring up punctuated equilibrium, but then she has just claimed all scientists are incapable of performing science. I like how she mentions the Cambrian problem, then tries to get out of it:

Whether or not they are right (and I don’t know), their scientific argument about the absence of evidence to support the claim that life spontaneously created itself is being stifled — on the totally perverse grounds that this argument does not conform to the rules of science which require evidence to support a theory.

There is no such claim, so their argument is bogus. You don't need to be a scientist to understand this point.

As a result of such arrogance, the West — the crucible of reason — is turning the clock back to a pre-modern age of obscurantism, dogma and secular witch-hunts. Far from upholding reason, science itself has become unreasonable.

And thus, the whole of science is now 'unreasonable' because of, even from her viewpoint, a spat limited to evolutionary theory.

So when Prof Dawkins fulminates against ‘new age’ irrationality, it is the image of pots and kettles that comes irresistibly to mind.

Aha! I knew it!

So: the world went all rational and rejected religion. Religion, though, is secretly rational, and people are therefore rejecting rationality. So they now believe in all sorts of crap. This breaks science, because all scientists no longer believe in objective truth and think they can explain everything without using any kind of logic. This results in heroic evolution-deniers being silenced by conspiracies. Yes, looking at this evidence it does seem like religious belief lends itself to rational thinking. Also, Richard Dawkins is wrong about everything, and the program would better be presented by someone else.

I know it was fish in a barrel. I know I probably shouldn't pay attention to such nonsense. But it was an incredibly annoying fish.

  1. I wrote all the below before showing the article to my girlfriend, who said 'yeah, it's Melanie Phillips'. Which is a fair point. But as it's written I might as well publish :-) []
28Apr/0719

Criticisms of The God Delusion, and what comes next

The last eight months have seen many critical reviews of Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion, and the most consistent criticisms, once you get past dull relativism, unthinking accusations of 'fundamentalism', and seemingly unending debates over what 'agnostic' and 'atheist' mean, boil down to two points:

We're told RD hasn't addressed the sophisticated theology1 behind the belief in a divine being. He instead concentrates on the points that are easy to shoot down - Aquinas etc.. This argument appears to implode, however: this supposedly sophisticated theology is incredibly difficult to find. It's continually referred to, but is never actually clarified. When asked to provide these arguments, we're usually told it's too complicated. I consider myself intelligent enough to understand such things (and would quite like to know if there really is a deity in the sky, actually), and even if you disagree there are plenty of atheists who'd be happy to read these sophisticated arguments. There is no reason that an intelligent person shouldn't be able to understand the arguments for the existence of a deity - theology is not quantum physics and does not require twenty years of mathematical training. If it's out there, bring it on. Another common answer is that you can only understand once you've read everything ever written about every religion ever. Dawkins hasn't read Such-and-Such on grace, or So-and-So on how shiny angels are - who is he to say anything about theology! This is well answered by the Courtier's Reply.

It's worth mentioning that the hints of this sophisticated theology diverge massively from the popular understanding of religion. I've had people argue that something must have created the universe, and, although this is your standard god-of-the-gaps argument, it's still far more reasonable than claiming you have contact with a magic sky-fairy who answers your prayers. The average Catholic doesn't believe in an Agent that started off the Big Bang, they believe in an intercessory deity who turns wine and crackers into blood and flesh. The God Delusion was attacking this popular notion of religion that's believed by billions. It wasn't a deep philosophical tome. Even so, the supposedly sophisticated arguments don't appear to stand up to scrutiny. Saying 'god is simple so could have spontaneously popped into existence' is no use if you don't actually have any evidence to back it up. Tom Hamilton has interesting commentary on this latter argument, as well as the necessity of stepping into these areas of argument. If only more commentary was as intelligently written as his, the dialogue would be far more productive.

I think it's possible to argue most believers to a point where they stop being logical about the existence of deities, and they'll admit it. It's nigh-on impossible to change a believer's mind, but you can reach a point where the argument becomes, simply put, 'I just think it because I do'. Religion is like every pseudoscience out there in this regard, and the psychological investigations into this phenomenon are fascinating. And this is where the second major objection appears: it's just rude. Of course there isn't really a god, but why upset people? Referring to divine beings as the equivalent of fairies at the bottom of the garden offends, so you shouldn't do it. I've had commenters on this site tell me I should couch my language in ways such as 'while I can see you have incredibly deeply held beliefs, I have a small problem with one particular aspect and I'm sorry if this offends you but I consider it important.' This gets increasingly pathetic. It's insulting to me, and it's insulting to anybody religious who is perfectly capable of having adult discussions.

If an atheist starts insulting you and telling you you're stupid, damn right s/he's being rude and there's no reason you should put up with it. But Dawkins / Harris / Dennett etc. don't do this, no matter how often we're told otherwise. Even if they did, there are thousands out there who don't, yet are no less strident in tone. They are at pains to emphasise that it's the idea that is being attacked, not the person. Saying somebody don't know something is not the same as saying they are stupid, neither is ignorance a criticism. If you get offended when I tell you there's no reason to think your deity exists, that's your problem, and saying 'maybe so, but I am offended nevertheless so shut up' is simply a way of stifling debate. Surely this is obvious. Even if there were a way to phrase objections so that people weren't offended, and this I doubt, it would be making a massive, pointless exception for religion when it comes to debate. We'd probably just be called patronising, too. The tone with which religion is discussed in The God Delusion is no different from any political discussion, and a thousand miles away from the excesses of art criticism, which we regularly ingest as valid commentary. That somebody believes something strongly is no reason not to attack it, but not them, when there is good reason to do so.

From this point there are other objections: the argument that religious 'moderates' provide a shield for extremism by being perfectly pleasant in their belief in fairies is certainly one of the more controversial areas; questioning the 'rights' of parents to inflict their religious beliefs on their children is another; saying that faith is sweet and harmless and good for society also comes up (although I find that one deeply patronising). But it's the above two that are the most frequent.

The above introduction was longer than I intended, and was originally only meant to serve as a lead-in. If you have problems with Richard Dawkins, and thought The God Delusion was an insulting title, I bring you Christopher Hitchens' God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. Here's an excerpt:

There are four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum of servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking.

Blimey.

While some religious apology is magnificent in its limited way—one might cite Pascal—and some of it is dreary and absurd—here one cannot avoid naming C. S. Lewis—both styles have something in common, namely the appalling load of strain that they have to bear. How much effort it takes to affirm the incredible! The Aztecs had to tear open a human chest cavity every day just to make sure that the sun would rise. Monotheists are supposed to pester their deity more times than that, perhaps, lest he be deaf. How much vanity must be concealed—not too effectively at that—in order to pretend that one is the personal object of a divine plan? How much self-respect must be sacrificed in order that one may squirm continually in an awareness of one's own sin? How many needless assumptions must be made, and how much contortion is required, to receive every new insight of science and manipulate it so as to "fit" with the revealed words of ancient man-made deities? How many saints and miracles and councils and conclaves are required in order first to be able to establish a dogma and then—after infinite pain and loss and absurdity and cruelty—to be forced to rescind one of those dogmas? God did not create man in his own image. Evidently, it was the other way about, which is the painless explanation for the profusion of gods and religions, and the fratricide both between and among faiths, that we see all about us and that has so retarded the development of civilization.

Christopher Hitchens writes so damned well that I have to be careful not to get carried away by his eloquence. He's occasionally come out with statements that have pushed it even for me. It sounds like a good read - I'll certainly be picking up a copy.

  1. 'theology' throughout means the 'research' into the existence of deities, not the study of religious belief in general []
12Mar/073

Preaching backwards

I was very impressed with Radio 2's 'Pause for Thought' this morning. The preacher managed to combine the Dawkins/Kay non-story and last week's highly dubious global-warming denying C4 documentary into a tirade against the pitfalls of absolute certainty. A standard misrepresentation, but he then compared this to the wonder of his faith, which comes from experience and is therefore better. It was astonishing.