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	<title>Comments on: Labour needs a Robert Scoble</title>
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		<title>By: Paroxysm</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/29/labour-needs-a-robert-scoble/#comment-4098</link>
		<dc:creator>Paroxysm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologise for my confrontational tone.  I sometimes find it difficult to keep my temper and my politics seperate, as I'm sure most do.  I do however believe in the bulk of my comment but perhaps neglected to mention how blogging does in part contribute to a contextualisation of politics and how it impacts on sectors of society.  I just sometimes get so frustrated reading certain blogs and unnecessarily allow it to interfere with my approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologise for my confrontational tone.  I sometimes find it difficult to keep my temper and my politics seperate, as I&#8217;m sure most do.  I do however believe in the bulk of my comment but perhaps neglected to mention how blogging does in part contribute to a contextualisation of politics and how it impacts on sectors of society.  I just sometimes get so frustrated reading certain blogs and unnecessarily allow it to interfere with my approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/29/labour-needs-a-robert-scoble/#comment-4097</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Paroxysm</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/29/labour-needs-a-robert-scoble/#comment-4096</link>
		<dc:creator>Paroxysm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who read blogs are 'the people best equipped to communicate?'  Surely the people who read government documents (reliable information), as you yourself pointed out, are best equipped to communicate.  The establishment of a blog that represents a particular party would be worthless; falling prey to similar propaganda nonsense to which you object in the effort to 'communicate with the people'.

Its also both ethno- and geo-centric of you to suggest that blogging to some extent remedies this 'problem'.  What about people wishing to keep up to date with how the Labour Party are taking a hand in foreign affairs?  Many people abroad, in the very countries directly impacted by Labour Politics (Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel etc), may not be able to afford a computer, may have to rely on paper (amazing, I know).  These are just a few of the many glaringly obvious problems with your proposal.  And these problems are inherent to the culture of blogging.

Blogging is simply an extension of the 'pub philosopher', seen literally in the case of the Euston manifesto.  It has positive aspects, allowing people to communicate from diverse backgrounds and cultures, share information easily, meet friends etc.  but of late is running counter to many of these positive attributes through the establishment of myopic, predetermined and culturally limited cliques.  Some people reductively refer to this as 'geekery' but I disagree, it's much more dangerous than that.  You have eloquently identified the very reason for this danger in your post.  'Bloggers', as a culture, work from second hand information.  I'm not talking about people who blog as a residual activity of work that is directly political, scholastic, theoretical, e.g. scholars.  I'm referring to the person who - not because of laziness - but because of time, cannot do the necessary work required to speak with any authority on infinitely complex political debates.

Manifestos died with Modernism for the very reason that they didn't take into account  views beyond a very esoteric and elitist group.  Pound's disregard for pulp literature of the day and anything seen as formally incorrect etc. were ligated from the avant garde        and depried of a voice amongst the people who made decisions.  Today we have the reverse.  Blogging has become such an alternative, pulpy, sub-cultural stodge that it is beginning to assume an identity which it considers above the populous.  Your post supports this when you speak so egotistically of bloggers being better 'equipped'.  The ironic thing is that people who didn't read blogs wouldn't be subjected to that asinine  assertion and you could feel justified in it on account of fellow bloggers praise.

I do not intend to attack you personally.  Its the logic of your assertions perpetrated from a miniscule and inherently self-righteous platform.  I care if you can't be bothered to read the government documents and policies from scratch as this is the only way you'll ever be able to comment on these issues.  The information is out there, believe me, it's the internet for goodness sake...use it properly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who read blogs are &#8216;the people best equipped to communicate?&#8217;  Surely the people who read government documents (reliable information), as you yourself pointed out, are best equipped to communicate.  The establishment of a blog that represents a particular party would be worthless; falling prey to similar propaganda nonsense to which you object in the effort to &#8216;communicate with the people&#8217;.</p>
<p>Its also both ethno- and geo-centric of you to suggest that blogging to some extent remedies this &#8216;problem&#8217;.  What about people wishing to keep up to date with how the Labour Party are taking a hand in foreign affairs?  Many people abroad, in the very countries directly impacted by Labour Politics (Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel etc), may not be able to afford a computer, may have to rely on paper (amazing, I know).  These are just a few of the many glaringly obvious problems with your proposal.  And these problems are inherent to the culture of blogging.</p>
<p>Blogging is simply an extension of the &#8216;pub philosopher&#8217;, seen literally in the case of the Euston manifesto.  It has positive aspects, allowing people to communicate from diverse backgrounds and cultures, share information easily, meet friends etc.  but of late is running counter to many of these positive attributes through the establishment of myopic, predetermined and culturally limited cliques.  Some people reductively refer to this as &#8216;geekery&#8217; but I disagree, it&#8217;s much more dangerous than that.  You have eloquently identified the very reason for this danger in your post.  &#8216;Bloggers&#8217;, as a culture, work from second hand information.  I&#8217;m not talking about people who blog as a residual activity of work that is directly political, scholastic, theoretical, e.g. scholars.  I&#8217;m referring to the person who - not because of laziness - but because of time, cannot do the necessary work required to speak with any authority on infinitely complex political debates.</p>
<p>Manifestos died with Modernism for the very reason that they didn&#8217;t take into account  views beyond a very esoteric and elitist group.  Pound&#8217;s disregard for pulp literature of the day and anything seen as formally incorrect etc. were ligated from the avant garde        and depried of a voice amongst the people who made decisions.  Today we have the reverse.  Blogging has become such an alternative, pulpy, sub-cultural stodge that it is beginning to assume an identity which it considers above the populous.  Your post supports this when you speak so egotistically of bloggers being better &#8216;equipped&#8217;.  The ironic thing is that people who didn&#8217;t read blogs wouldn&#8217;t be subjected to that asinine  assertion and you could feel justified in it on account of fellow bloggers praise.</p>
<p>I do not intend to attack you personally.  Its the logic of your assertions perpetrated from a miniscule and inherently self-righteous platform.  I care if you can&#8217;t be bothered to read the government documents and policies from scratch as this is the only way you&#8217;ll ever be able to comment on these issues.  The information is out there, believe me, it&#8217;s the internet for goodness sake&#8230;use it properly!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/29/labour-needs-a-robert-scoble/#comment-4095</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not know that - thanks! I shall check it out forthwith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not know that - thanks! I shall check it out forthwith.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/29/labour-needs-a-robert-scoble/#comment-4094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.odpm.gov.uk/cs/blogs/ministerial_blog/default.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;David Miliband&lt;/a&gt; has a blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.odpm.gov.uk/cs/blogs/ministerial_blog/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">David Miliband</a> has a blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Harding</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/29/labour-needs-a-robert-scoble/#comment-4093</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, you are absolutely right. All this talk of spin, yet the government is actually hopeless at outlining it's position even when there is fantastic evidence to back up their position. It is sometimes left to the Lib Dems or none Labour members to point out why the tabloids are wrong or the Tories are talking rot, this can't be right.

As you probably know, I tried to defend ID cards (and failed). It was very difficult to get hold of the information. It may well be that the technical concerns and cost problems are over-exagerated by NO2ID but with the government being so secretive about the figures it is impossible to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, you are absolutely right. All this talk of spin, yet the government is actually hopeless at outlining it&#8217;s position even when there is fantastic evidence to back up their position. It is sometimes left to the Lib Dems or none Labour members to point out why the tabloids are wrong or the Tories are talking rot, this can&#8217;t be right.</p>
<p>As you probably know, I tried to defend ID cards (and failed). It was very difficult to get hold of the information. It may well be that the technical concerns and cost problems are over-exagerated by NO2ID but with the government being so secretive about the figures it is impossible to know.</p>
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