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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Itseems that nlp is quackery

Perhaps a warm bath for lost souls, you see when we had to work the land we did not have the time to indulge in the luxury of crisis. It is only since we have become fat and bloated that we indulge in ourselves 
It cannot be overlooked that it is only recently all these therapies have come about. As nike says 'just do it'. If yoi don't think about it it can't bother you. 

Take a pill if your that bothered certainly don't entrust your life to someone who became a 'master' for a thousand quid in a hall with loads of other converts. 

Nlp pah, surely no one can be that dumb...

Everyday in everyway I'm getting stronger and stronger...repeat after me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itseems that nlp is quackery</p>
<p>Perhaps a warm bath for lost souls, you see when we had to work the land we did not have the time to indulge in the luxury of crisis. It is only since we have become fat and bloated that we indulge in ourselves<br />
It cannot be overlooked that it is only recently all these therapies have come about. As nike says &#8216;just do it&#8217;. If yoi don&#8217;t think about it it can&#8217;t bother you. </p>
<p>Take a pill if your that bothered certainly don&#8217;t entrust your life to someone who became a &#8216;master&#8217; for a thousand quid in a hall with loads of other converts. </p>
<p>Nlp pah, surely no one can be that dumb&#8230;</p>
<p>Everyday in everyway I&#8217;m getting stronger and stronger&#8230;repeat after me</p>
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		<title>By: trustnverify</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/02/life-coaching-and-how-i-was-seduced-by-nonsense/#comment-3921</link>
		<dc:creator>trustnverify</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a blog on a full on scammer.
http://www.blogtext.org/aurorab/article/13121.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a blog on a full on scammer.<br />
<a href="http://www.blogtext.org/aurorab/article/13121.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogtext.org/aurorab/article/13121.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Green</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/02/life-coaching-and-how-i-was-seduced-by-nonsense/#comment-3920</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all. The battery of controlled studies into NLP in the 80s showed that it is ineffective, especially for influence purposes. There is still serious research into NLP, but nowadays its conducted by social psychologists and cultic studies researchers.  Their view is that NLP is an archetypal pseudoscience that spreads misconceptions about the brain. The kindest view is that NLP is a new alternative religion or cult.  Perhaps a more realistic view is that the Scientology scam makes people big bucks, so NLP and similar have followed suit.  Unlimited potential, the map is not reality, you create your own reality - they all help you suspend critical thought and allow the pseudoscience to flourish.  What keeps it working is confirmation bias (proponents filtering out disconfirming evidence and hyping assumed successes), and cognitive dissonance (because you paid for the book/seminar, you have to justify it), and a collection of other non specific effects. Psychologists and some human resource researchers are pretty worried about the likes of NLP.  It spreads misconceptions about the nature of learning, the brain, and behaviour in general. Workers are also rebelling against being "tranformed" at work. It is becoming clearer to the public now that NLP is basically rehashed scientology, with all its timeline - inner demons. The cult of NLP will most likely continue. But more obviously as a cult. Doc Green</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all. The battery of controlled studies into NLP in the 80s showed that it is ineffective, especially for influence purposes. There is still serious research into NLP, but nowadays its conducted by social psychologists and cultic studies researchers.  Their view is that NLP is an archetypal pseudoscience that spreads misconceptions about the brain. The kindest view is that NLP is a new alternative religion or cult.  Perhaps a more realistic view is that the Scientology scam makes people big bucks, so NLP and similar have followed suit.  Unlimited potential, the map is not reality, you create your own reality - they all help you suspend critical thought and allow the pseudoscience to flourish.  What keeps it working is confirmation bias (proponents filtering out disconfirming evidence and hyping assumed successes), and cognitive dissonance (because you paid for the book/seminar, you have to justify it), and a collection of other non specific effects. Psychologists and some human resource researchers are pretty worried about the likes of NLP.  It spreads misconceptions about the nature of learning, the brain, and behaviour in general. Workers are also rebelling against being &#8220;tranformed&#8221; at work. It is becoming clearer to the public now that NLP is basically rehashed scientology, with all its timeline - inner demons. The cult of NLP will most likely continue. But more obviously as a cult. Doc Green</p>
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		<title>By: Kazlina</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/02/life-coaching-and-how-i-was-seduced-by-nonsense/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>Kazlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you had back luck and should not judge all coaching the same.

I went to see Anthony Robbins last year and he was amazing, so much so that it changed my life. I believe Coaching and NLP to be a very strong tool to improve your life. Sounds like you just had a bad experience that has made you think the way you do but take it from me its good stuff.

Please think about seeing someone else to help yuo on the right path or if you are willing to transform your life fully go see Anthony Robbins when he is in the UK this June, you will never look back.

All the best

Kaz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you had back luck and should not judge all coaching the same.</p>
<p>I went to see Anthony Robbins last year and he was amazing, so much so that it changed my life. I believe Coaching and NLP to be a very strong tool to improve your life. Sounds like you just had a bad experience that has made you think the way you do but take it from me its good stuff.</p>
<p>Please think about seeing someone else to help yuo on the right path or if you are willing to transform your life fully go see Anthony Robbins when he is in the UK this June, you will never look back.</p>
<p>All the best</p>
<p>Kaz</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but that all seems to be anecdotal / an appeal to authority, and doesn't really answer the criticisms from the Skepdic's Dictionary and elsewhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but that all seems to be anecdotal / an appeal to authority, and doesn&#8217;t really answer the criticisms from the Skepdic&#8217;s Dictionary and elsewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dwayne dowser</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/02/life-coaching-and-how-i-was-seduced-by-nonsense/#comment-3918</link>
		<dc:creator>dwayne dowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would make the following commments about timeline therapy and NLP.

1 NLP has been in existence for 30 years. Many respected therapists and hypnotherapists have trained in NLP. I am not aware of any who are critical, and many use it some of its techniques. The co-creators of, NLP, Richard Bandler and John Grinder, created NLP from watching leadin therapists, such as Milton Erickson, Virginia Satir, Fritz Perls.To my knowledge, all of these worled closely with Bandler and Grinder, and were favourably dispossed to them.

2 There is not much in the way of quality control in NLP and there have been many feuds between different factions, often related to marketing. Timeline therapy is one offshoot of NLP, which has been promoted by Tad James.

3 The central claim of NLP is that it is possible to make rapid therapeutic changes-curing phobias in a few minutes. This seems to annoy other types of therapists, who instead say that many sessions are required.

4 My own experience of NLP is that  highly skilled experts can indeed do this-I have seen this done in front of large audiences many times.

5 I would also add,that many techniques require a fair degree of skill from the therapist/practitioner (or life coach). This is not so much in using any given technique but in watching the subject closely and making sure that you have done the job. If the subject is uncomfortable, reluctant or feels that the process isn't working, he/she should know.

6 It sounds to me like your coach didn't have the skill to notice that you weren't getting it and do a proper job.

7 If you want to find out about NLP for yourself, I would watch a DVD of someone like RIchard Bandler or Paul McKenna working with a demonstration subject. When you see someone's problem disappear in a few minutes, it is hard to be sceptical.

8 You might also care to research Ericksonian hypnosis, one of the majjor influences on NLP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would make the following commments about timeline therapy and NLP.</p>
<p>1 NLP has been in existence for 30 years. Many respected therapists and hypnotherapists have trained in NLP. I am not aware of any who are critical, and many use it some of its techniques. The co-creators of, NLP, Richard Bandler and John Grinder, created NLP from watching leadin therapists, such as Milton Erickson, Virginia Satir, Fritz Perls.To my knowledge, all of these worled closely with Bandler and Grinder, and were favourably dispossed to them.</p>
<p>2 There is not much in the way of quality control in NLP and there have been many feuds between different factions, often related to marketing. Timeline therapy is one offshoot of NLP, which has been promoted by Tad James.</p>
<p>3 The central claim of NLP is that it is possible to make rapid therapeutic changes-curing phobias in a few minutes. This seems to annoy other types of therapists, who instead say that many sessions are required.</p>
<p>4 My own experience of NLP is that  highly skilled experts can indeed do this-I have seen this done in front of large audiences many times.</p>
<p>5 I would also add,that many techniques require a fair degree of skill from the therapist/practitioner (or life coach). This is not so much in using any given technique but in watching the subject closely and making sure that you have done the job. If the subject is uncomfortable, reluctant or feels that the process isn&#8217;t working, he/she should know.</p>
<p>6 It sounds to me like your coach didn&#8217;t have the skill to notice that you weren&#8217;t getting it and do a proper job.</p>
<p>7 If you want to find out about NLP for yourself, I would watch a DVD of someone like RIchard Bandler or Paul McKenna working with a demonstration subject. When you see someone&#8217;s problem disappear in a few minutes, it is hard to be sceptical.</p>
<p>8 You might also care to research Ericksonian hypnosis, one of the majjor influences on NLP.</p>
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		<title>By: Halliburton</title>
		<link>http://wongablog.co.uk/2006/06/02/life-coaching-and-how-i-was-seduced-by-nonsense/#comment-3917</link>
		<dc:creator>Halliburton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is interesting. I had a good scout of the Wikipedia NLP site and it shows some pretty wierd culty stuff going on. Firstly it seems to be run by NLP practitioners. There's an NLP company going by the name of Comaze.com (Comaze) run by a certified NLP trainer from Australia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Comaze
http://www.comaze.com/biography.html
http://www.nlptrb.org/nlp/trainers/directory/

who also works with a company called inspirative http://www.comaze.com/links.html
endorsed by John Grinder

http://www.inspiritive.com.au/

Comaze seems to be working hand in glove with another NLP trainer called Greg Alexander (username: GregA).  The leader seems to be a user called FT2, who upon close examination seems to be promoting zoophilia (bestiality) on Wikipedia also.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FT2

They seem to be showing the sort of censorship attempts that are common on the Scientology Wikipedia site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

Professional accountability seems to have gone completely under the radar with NLP. I think its too much of a commercial pusher to be just down to "true believers" promoting their cult. I think the activities of Comaze.com and collaborators shows pretty much how unethical NLP companies can be to promote their interests.

Halliburton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is interesting. I had a good scout of the Wikipedia NLP site and it shows some pretty wierd culty stuff going on. Firstly it seems to be run by NLP practitioners. There&#8217;s an NLP company going by the name of Comaze.com (Comaze) run by a certified NLP trainer from Australia:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Comaze" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Comaze</a><br />
<a href="http://www.comaze.com/biography.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.comaze.com/biography.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nlptrb.org/nlp/trainers/directory/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nlptrb.org/nlp/trainers/directory/</a></p>
<p>who also works with a company called inspirative <a href="http://www.comaze.com/links.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.comaze.com/links.html</a><br />
endorsed by John Grinder</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inspiritive.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.inspiritive.com.au/</a></p>
<p>Comaze seems to be working hand in glove with another NLP trainer called Greg Alexander (username: GregA).  The leader seems to be a user called FT2, who upon close examination seems to be promoting zoophilia (bestiality) on Wikipedia also.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FT2" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FT2</a></p>
<p>They seem to be showing the sort of censorship attempts that are common on the Scientology Wikipedia site.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology</a></p>
<p>Professional accountability seems to have gone completely under the radar with NLP. I think its too much of a commercial pusher to be just down to &#8220;true believers&#8221; promoting their cult. I think the activities of Comaze.com and collaborators shows pretty much how unethical NLP companies can be to promote their interests.</p>
<p>Halliburton</p>
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		<title>By: radical reversal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Self-Help Gospel</title>
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		<dc:creator>radical reversal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Self-Help Gospel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One person wrote of his experience with a life coach:  Life coaching, and how I was seduced by nonsense [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,

What a shambles! There are a lot of well meaning people out there who are persuaded by others into parting with a great deal of money for hokey training.

It takes just two weekends to become a Master Practitioner in NLP! and about £5000. It takes about a decade to get mastery in anything else. I have worked in the field of therapy, counselling and coaching for 10 years and still wouldn't call myself a master.

Seems to me, from reading your blog, there's nothing much wrong with you, you just need to focus on being a great writer.

Very best of wishes with your dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>What a shambles! There are a lot of well meaning people out there who are persuaded by others into parting with a great deal of money for hokey training.</p>
<p>It takes just two weekends to become a Master Practitioner in NLP! and about £5000. It takes about a decade to get mastery in anything else. I have worked in the field of therapy, counselling and coaching for 10 years and still wouldn&#8217;t call myself a master.</p>
<p>Seems to me, from reading your blog, there&#8217;s nothing much wrong with you, you just need to focus on being a great writer.</p>
<p>Very best of wishes with your dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mary

I agree, shopping around is very important. But good knowledge of the field is also very important. There are good studies now that point out most unvalidated methods and raise the important issues. Basically it is unethical in psychotherapy, education, and related areas to use unvalidated methods. It is indefensible because there are perfectly good validated ways of doing things (backed up by controlled studies).

Here is a great site that raises awareness of the research-practitioner gap. It is quite an eye opener, but also points out some fairly obvious dubious snakeoil (eg Rebirthing, etc).  http://www.srmhp.org/0101/raison-detre.html

A huge amount of time, money, and care goes into making rigorous research designs to actively falsify every therapy. The ones that survive the testing are valid. The one's that fall are bunk. A lot of them nowadays are not even tested as reviewers and researchers will not see any reason to test pseudoscientific theories. A lot (eg NLP) have fallen by the wayside but have been re-packaged in various forms (eg TIR (Traumatic incident reduction) and NLP have been found to be simple re-packaged versions of Dianetics (scientology).

So the research-practitioner gap is pretty wide now.  Charlatans are getting better at conning public bodies, and postmodern (new age) ideas are very comforting but grossly misleading in real terms. But with higher levels of education, and bodies such as SRMHP raising awareness of dubious therapies and the issues involved, that gap may reduce in time.

ATB
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary</p>
<p>I agree, shopping around is very important. But good knowledge of the field is also very important. There are good studies now that point out most unvalidated methods and raise the important issues. Basically it is unethical in psychotherapy, education, and related areas to use unvalidated methods. It is indefensible because there are perfectly good validated ways of doing things (backed up by controlled studies).</p>
<p>Here is a great site that raises awareness of the research-practitioner gap. It is quite an eye opener, but also points out some fairly obvious dubious snakeoil (eg Rebirthing, etc).  <a href="http://www.srmhp.org/0101/raison-detre.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.srmhp.org/0101/raison-detre.html</a></p>
<p>A huge amount of time, money, and care goes into making rigorous research designs to actively falsify every therapy. The ones that survive the testing are valid. The one&#8217;s that fall are bunk. A lot of them nowadays are not even tested as reviewers and researchers will not see any reason to test pseudoscientific theories. A lot (eg NLP) have fallen by the wayside but have been re-packaged in various forms (eg TIR (Traumatic incident reduction) and NLP have been found to be simple re-packaged versions of Dianetics (scientology).</p>
<p>So the research-practitioner gap is pretty wide now.  Charlatans are getting better at conning public bodies, and postmodern (new age) ideas are very comforting but grossly misleading in real terms. But with higher levels of education, and bodies such as SRMHP raising awareness of dubious therapies and the issues involved, that gap may reduce in time.</p>
<p>ATB<br />
Chris</p>
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